OK.. So.. HOW come..


OK.. So.. HOW come..

Postby MsKitty on September 27th, 2010, 4:45 am

Right. I am back from my Argeneau re-read and was just wondering...

HOW COME - Smelly Ernie got his OWN name? All the other sons were numbered..

IF the blood comes from the mother (why Ernie has fangs) yet I got the impression that 'immortals' were deemed inferior by the no-fanger clan.. Why did Leonius 'keep' Ernie? Did we think that Basha may have been Ernies mother?
Or perhaps the life mate of Leonius the 1st?
ANd really.. Leonius II IS not the sharpest tool in the shed, if he was 'in charge' then surely they all would have been busted by now? SO is Basha the other '1st nano transfusion' person that escaped the fall of Atlantis? And is she the 'brains' behind all this no-fanger mayhem? Or perhaps she is using the no-fangers for her own agenda?
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Re: OK.. So.. HOW come..

Postby sin on September 27th, 2010, 11:38 am

Welcome back KittyKat

Yes the mother decides if the child will be: mortal, immortal, fanged or not. I do believe I read it that Leo II chose both mortal & immortals to bear his offspring.

No he may NOT be the sharpest in the bunch BUT the most devious. He has had a lot of centuries to plan. That is a lot of hate built up for the wrong he feel that has happened to his family.

Ernie may have named himself, his mother may have named him or the others may also have a name besides a number.

next I have my own theories on Basha. I still say she is the daughter of Jean Claude & his life mate. Also that is one of her reasons for going after Lucian, family & enforcers. Therefore the two working together...

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Re: OK.. So.. HOW come..

Postby susan60625 on September 27th, 2010, 11:54 am

I'm sorry, Sin, but I have to disagree with you on JC being Basha's daddy, unless she is the daughter of JC and his first wife, Sabia, from Atlantis, and she didn't die like everyone thought when Atlantis fell. If she was the daughter of the lifemate that Vida killed, she would be about the same age as Christian or about 500-years-old. I think she would have to be much older to be able to have the control over Leonius, especially considering how old he is. I don't think a 500-year-old vamp could have that kind of control over him. I'm just saying....
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Re: OK.. So.. HOW come..

Postby MsKitty on September 28th, 2010, 2:50 am

sin wrote:Welcome back KittyKat

Yes the mother decides if the child will be: mortal, immortal, fanged or not. I do believe I read it that Leo II chose both mortal & immortals to bear his offspring.

No he may NOT be the sharpest in the bunch BUT the most devious. He has had a lot of centuries to plan. That is a lot of hate built up for the wrong he feel that has happened to his family.

Ernie may have named himself, his mother may have named him or the others may also have a name besides a number.

next I have my own theories on Basha. I still say she is the daughter of Jean Claude & his life mate. Also that is one of her reasons for going after Lucian, family & enforcers. Therefore the two working together...

Just my 0.02


.. hmm.. So JC's daughter with Sabia... hmmm.. BUT .. Why then would she hate everyone?? Why did she not just go to JC after the fall of Atlantis? UNLESS... JC shaked up with an immortal that WASN'T his lifemate & she is the result - but for some reason was kept a secret? The ice-blonde hair - that screams Lucian... I think Basha is a relative.. just not really sure how!
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Re: OK.. So.. HOW come..

Postby Lynsay on September 29th, 2010, 10:12 am

ooooo, I so want to squawk on this one. Sigh. I hate secrets.

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Re: OK.. So.. HOW come..

Postby Lynsay on September 29th, 2010, 10:12 am

ooooo, I so want to squawk on this one. Sigh. I hate secrets.

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Re: OK.. So.. HOW come..

Postby susan60625 on September 29th, 2010, 1:49 pm

Lynsay, you just go ahead and squawk if you want to! We won't tell anyone! We'll just keep it between us! Bwahahahaha! :twisted:
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Re: OK.. So.. HOW come..

Postby wren on September 29th, 2010, 2:45 pm

MsKitty wrote:.. hmm.. So JC's daughter with Sabia... hmmm.. BUT .. Why then would she hate everyone?? Why did she not just go to JC after the fall of Atlantis? UNLESS... JC shaked up with an immortal that WASN'T his lifemate & she is the result - but for some reason was kept a secret? The ice-blonde hair - that screams Lucian... I think Basha is a relative.. just not really sure how!

Looking for clues in names again:

LIVIUS Gender: Masculine Usage: Ancient Roman
Roman family name which may be related to either Latin liveo "to envy" or lividus "blue, envious". (emphasis mine) LIVIUS: Roman family name, possibly derived from Latin lividus, meaning "bluish." (Something is important about the "blue"...many of our surnames meanings have to do with the eyes, and Basha's eyes are silver-blue...although aren't Leo 2's eyes are bronzed-brown?)

LEONIUS Gender: Masculine Usage: Late Roman (Leonius 2 is "lion-like" in his description)
Late Latin name which was derived from Leo/Leon. Meaning "Lion"
LEONIUS: Roman family name derived from Latin leo (gen. leonis), meaning "lion."
BASHA: This name means "foreign", but understandably when applied only in the Greek context, refers to anyone who does not speak Greek. It is a variant of the name "Barbara."

SABIA: Latin form of Irish Gaelic Sadhbh, meaning "sweet."
LUNA: Latin for "the Moon". In Greek mythology, she is the goddess of the moon.

Her long blonde hair & silver-blue eyes screamed "Lissianna" when I first read TIH...that's who the description sounds like to me, which means that either of the Argeneau twins from Atlantis could possibly be her father...or another relative. The family tree doesn't show Jean Claude and Sabia having any children, but it does show Lucian & Wife in Atlantis (wasn't her name revealed later in the books as Luna?) having daughter 1 and daughter 2...no names given. It says they died in fall of Atlantis...but what if one or more didn't, yet Lucian & Jean Claude never knew. We know that Marguerite looks a lot like Sabia, because that was a primary reason why Jean Claude turned her, so it is safe to guess that Sabia was brunette...so we can rule out Basha being her, though Sabia could have been pregnant with Jean Claude's child & escaped from Atlantis & given birth to a daughter that he never knew.

Another thought...we don't know if Lucian & Jean Claude had a sister in Atlantis. There was no 100 year spacing law at that time. The Nottes said that Martine was the Argeneaus only living daughter, but they didn't say she was the only one ever born to them. Both families may think incorrectly that all of Ramses & Alexandria's children perished in the fall. On the other hand, Basha could be a cousin from Atlantis.

Did Leonius 1's room or cell break open, or was he let out and helped to escape...possibly by a family member? Was Leonius 1 related to the Argeneaus? So many questions...

In defense of sin's theory about Jean Claude's second life mate & their baby, some Immortals can develop great strength and cunning very quickly, and though the family tree says that his second life mate was beheaded by Vita Notte, it only confirms that she was pregnant. From Vita's confession in VI, we know she was heavy with child, and we weren't told what happened to the baby. Since Vita rode on & Jean Claude wasn't home yet, someone could have come along and found the baby still alive right after it happened. As far as gaining strength,the Notte parents said that if the 3-on-1 hadn't been performed on Marguerite, Jean Claude would not have been able to control Marguerite eventually...possibly another reason he kept her home-bound, so that others wouldn't suspect anything unusual...and another reason he loathed himself. Though Leo 2 is strong and able to control others, his impulsiveness & insanity could possibly be guided or even controlled by a sane Immortal, especially if they are feeding him plans to meet an agenda that serves them both.

Because Ramses, Alexandria, Lucian, and Jean Claude escaped during the fall, and still ended up together on the other side of the mountains, I've always thought they were possibly at a clinic getting their needed blood when the earthquake & volcano eruption happened. They had to be somewhere away from the rest of their families. If any of their younger children or other family members did escape & happened to be caught by Leonius 1 and crew, they could have been raised by them and probably told that the family left them behind on purpose or the trauma of the fall could have been enough for them to learn to hate the family.

Lynsay, you have been eating duck lately...so please squawk!! Do ducks squawk? I bet they do if you squeeze them. Either way...quack or squawk...just spill a hint or two, please! :lol: :D
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Re: OK.. So.. HOW come..

Postby sherr on September 29th, 2010, 2:51 pm

Wow....wren so many possibilities :o
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Re: OK.. So.. HOW come..

Postby wren on September 29th, 2010, 2:54 pm

sherr wrote:Wow....wren so many possibilities :o


I know...I can't help it. When my mind is pondering & my fingers start typing, it all goes in circles as I think of more & try to figure out Lynsay's clues. That's why my posts are usually so long. :lol:
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